Sorry, no pretty pictures of cards in this post.
Well, I finally ran into one of them. The much-discussed, possibly-apocryphal diviners of hits....the ever-elusive pack-searcher.
I was in the Westlake Village Target store picking up a prescription, so I hopped over to the card aisle to see if anything caught my eye. I was looking at repacks when another fellow came along to look. I graciously stepped to the side so we could both have some space. He was white, about early-to-mid thirties, about 5'10", with a black beard and stocky build. His T-Shirt was stylistically reminiscent of those "Tapout" shirts, but I can't recall what it said.
While I was looking, my wife called me on the phone, so I stepped down to the end of the aisle -- away from the cards -- to take the call. While I was down there on the phone, I noticed that he had proceeded to take all of the Topps Platinum Football hanging "Value Packs" down off the rack. Those are the ones that look like this:
This seemed unusual to me, but not nefarious. As you can see, they always pack 3 extra parallels in those types of packs, and often you can see through the wrapper as to what player/team you are getting on 1 or 2 of the cards. I don't have a problem with that...if Topps puts it in clear cellophane, that's not hurting anyone to look and see if you have one of your favorite team on the top. He was "holding" each one, then putting them back. He didn't set any aside to buy.
At this point, my call ends, so I got back over to the card aisle and started looking at repacks again. At this point, he walks over to the retail box of Panini "Decision 2016" political cards and pulls a giant stack of them out of the box...probably 10-12 packs. These things are pretty thin, and he proceeds to take one pack, with an end in each hand, and gives it the most-severe bend I have ever seen given to a pack. He probably gave it about a 45-degree arc bend, then threw it back in the box. Then I watched him do it again. On the third pack, I finally speak-up to the pack-searcher, aka "PS":
Me: "Hey, please don't bend the cards."
PS: <turning and smiling> "Oh, I'm not."
Me: "Yes, you are. I just saw you do it to three packs. It's obvious you're pack-searching, and that's not cool."
The PS's face got a lot more serious in that instant, and he goes: "Hey, just mind your own business, OK?"
Me: "What you're doing is not cool. Please stop."
--I was hoping he would just throw the cards back and leave to avoid a confrontation, as many others have found when confronting a pack-searcher. However, this guy was not deterred. --
PS: "Leave me alone. Don't worry about what I'm doing. It doesn't concern you."
Me: "Yes it does. When I buy packs that have creases down the sides or the corners all dinged up from pack-searchers, that concerns me."
PS: "I don't do that."
Me: "Well, when you're bending cards like that, they're gonna take some damage."
PS: <Takes a step toward me> "Just leave me alone, go over there or something."
Me: "Or what?"
PS: <mockingly> "Or what?"
Me: "This is wrong what you are doing and you need to stop. Just to get a hot pack to put on Ebay? Just stop, man."
PS: "Fuck you."
And with that, he just turned away and ignored me and went back to looking at the wall of cards, never to make eye-contact again. He stopped searching them, but just stood there. I could tell it was a standoff where he wasn't going to move and was just waiting for me to leave before he did anything again, and if I told anyone about it, he would look like he was just standing there. I had to roll anyway, so with that, I left the store.
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After the fact, I kept thinking about this incident.
1) I really wish I hadn't made it so confrontational from the get-go. I have never had this experience before, so I just sprung into action without any real plan. It would have been enlightening to actually have a discussion with him...to find out if he was a collector or just a "Ebay Mercenary."
2) Either I should have tried to calm the situation and get him to talk, or gone full scorched-earth and pulled out my camera phone to take pictures and videos of him to post online. This never once occurred to me while I was actually talking to him. Only when I was gone did this enter my mind.
3) Would Target management have wanted to know about this? Would they have done anything about it? My guess is no, but I couldn't say for sure. I assume this feels like a much bigger violation to me than it would to them.
4) I really need to come up with better reasons than, "That's not cool, man." :-)
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So, dear blog readers....what do you think about this? What should I have done differently? Have you ever run into a retail pack-searcher? What was your result?
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Saturday, September 10, 2011
Pack Searching with SCIENCE! - 2011 Topps Football
My birthday is this week, and my present from my wife arrived in the mail from Blowout Cards.
That is a Hobby box of 2011 Topps Football. 36 packs. I have not had a full box of any product since 1987 Topps Baseball, which my Grandma bought for me when I had a broken leg. This is very cool. (Yes, my wife is awesome - thank you for noticing.)
The selling point on these cards is this:
Since I've been reading blogs, I've heard a lot about pack-searching. I still have no idea how people do it while standing in the card aisle at the store. They must use magic or potions or something.
Given that there is a guaranteed hit somewhere in here, I want to find it. I could just rip open 36 packs, but these have to last me the full NFL season so I won't be doing that. What should I do? I suck at magic and am out of potions. However, I have one tool left in my toolbox:
There were two things happening here:
Putting error bars of 2 standard deviations on the middle width, I would bet that the hit is in one of the outliers (either pack #8 or #15). I was willing to open these two:
and......I WAS RIGHT!
Pack #8 (the thick one) did have the hit. It is a Ben Roethlisberger Gameday Jersey insert (GDR-BR). This would be awesome, except that I hate Roethlisberger. :-) So that one is for trade or for sale if anyone wants it -- let me know. That pack did feel noticeably more rigid than the others once I checked it again.
Pack #15 (the thin one) had both a Super Bowl Legends Giveaway card and a Sam Bradford mini. The giveaway cards and minis both feel thinner than the regular base cards. This also confirmed that the packs which are thicker on one end are packs that contain a mini. So if you are looking for the minis, there you go.
I can't believe Topps doesn't throw in a dummy card on this product. Panini puts in ones of various sizes, so I doubt this analysis would work on those products.
Summary: To find the hits, look for packs that measure over 0.170" in the middle, and keep your calipers hidden from the local shopkeep. Easy! :-)
Have any of you ever noticed a measurable variation like this in other products? Did you use that knowledge for good or evil? :-)
That is a Hobby box of 2011 Topps Football. 36 packs. I have not had a full box of any product since 1987 Topps Baseball, which my Grandma bought for me when I had a broken leg. This is very cool. (Yes, my wife is awesome - thank you for noticing.)
The selling point on these cards is this:
Since I've been reading blogs, I've heard a lot about pack-searching. I still have no idea how people do it while standing in the card aisle at the store. They must use magic or potions or something.
Given that there is a guaranteed hit somewhere in here, I want to find it. I could just rip open 36 packs, but these have to last me the full NFL season so I won't be doing that. What should I do? I suck at magic and am out of potions. However, I have one tool left in my toolbox:
SCIENCE!
The packs with a relic/auto card have a different number of cards in them, so they should either be thicker or thinner (I don't know which) than the "regular" packs, right? So I just have to measure them. How do you measure pack thickness?
You bust out your calipers! What? You don't have engineering calipers? I do...and that's how I will figure this out. Thanks college lab courses!
Here's what I did:
- Open the box.
- Label each pack with a marker (1-36).
- Use the calipers to measure the width at the top, middle, and bottom of each pack.
- Put that data into Excel, graph it, and look for trends.
There were two things happening here:
- Some packs were much thicker at one end than the other (see the green box). Sometimes the top was thicker and other times the bottom was thicker.
- Pack #8 was consistently thicker than all the other packs across all 3 measurements.
Putting error bars of 2 standard deviations on the middle width, I would bet that the hit is in one of the outliers (either pack #8 or #15). I was willing to open these two:
and......I WAS RIGHT!
Pack #8 (the thick one) did have the hit. It is a Ben Roethlisberger Gameday Jersey insert (GDR-BR). This would be awesome, except that I hate Roethlisberger. :-) So that one is for trade or for sale if anyone wants it -- let me know. That pack did feel noticeably more rigid than the others once I checked it again.
Pack #15 (the thin one) had both a Super Bowl Legends Giveaway card and a Sam Bradford mini. The giveaway cards and minis both feel thinner than the regular base cards. This also confirmed that the packs which are thicker on one end are packs that contain a mini. So if you are looking for the minis, there you go.
I can't believe Topps doesn't throw in a dummy card on this product. Panini puts in ones of various sizes, so I doubt this analysis would work on those products.
Summary: To find the hits, look for packs that measure over 0.170" in the middle, and keep your calipers hidden from the local shopkeep. Easy! :-)
Have any of you ever noticed a measurable variation like this in other products? Did you use that knowledge for good or evil? :-)
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